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That's right. One of the beauties of the City has been (still is some) the convenience, the proximity to what you need. It hasn't been that long ago that people could walk to just about every type of business establishment or entertainment venue.

I grew up partly on the North Side, Hyde Park neighborhood, where you could find a corner market on just about every corner, a small shopping strip on Salisbury Street, and the 14th Street shopping area just a few minutes away. I walked to the Bremen Theater at 19th & Bremen and the Tower Theater at E. Grand and W. Florissant, never it made it to the Salisbury Theater, on Salisbury, near Natural Bridge.

Coming back to St. Louis in the 70's, stores and bakeries were within blocks. We had the Ritz Theater on S. Grand near Juniata, and the Shenandoah, at Grand and Shenandoah. South Grand had everything: clothing stores, pharmacies, barbers, restaurants, night spots, a bakery, meat market, shoe store, specialty stores, a bowling alley, Namendorf's Hallmark Cards (many business moved to the new Zayre Plaze (now Gravois Plaza) when it opened, and failed in competition with the discount stores there. Many remained though and the area thrived quite well.

Several supermarkets existed: A Kroger in the South Grand area, a National at Grand and Sidney, and an A & P a block south, at Magnolia. The National is now a locally owned market, thriving and serving a substantial clientele. A Schnuck's superstore spans an area between Grand and Gravois, also enjoying a large customer base. Small markets persisted into the 90's. Gustine Market. which persisted through at least three owners, just closed some time in the past month.

Still, people can walk to many establishments. Some small markets still thrive, and supermarkets are within walking distance of many people. Quik Trips and 7-11's dot the landscape also, so their convenience is not absent.

 Suburbia was built on the automobile, it seems. The nearest business of any sort is a long walk at best for most people. Getting anywhere to shop or for entertainment takes a several minute drive. The norm is HUGE as far as establishments go, if you know what I mean. Huge shopping centers, huge food stores, huge retail stores, huge barns of home improvement stores, all where most people have to drive several miles to get to them, through heavy traffic and wild drivers, competing for parking spaces. People have to sacrifice personal service for low prices.

 In the City, and some places in the surrounding area, small businesses still thrive, where you can go in, get what you need in a few minutes, and be on your way. Meanwhile, if you frequent the establishment, you get to know the owner -- that's right, the owner is right there in the store -- or get to know the employees, most of whom stay on, The employees know where everything is (naturally, since it is a small establishment).

  Where, in the huge establishments, it seems you never see the same person twice, and it is so impersonal that you can go through an entire round of shopping and not speak to a single human being.

 In the face of increasing gas prices, I personally would think that the trend ought to reverse, with smaller establishments popping up in more places, closer to where people live. Smaller theaters even, almost within walking distance. I like the City because it is what I call, "easy". Not a lot of driving and not a lot of trouble getting where you are going. I can direct anyone to just about any kind of retail establishment.

  Of course, everybody can't move back into the City; but maybe people can begin to take steps to have smaller (maybe owned by indidivuals) establishments set up closer to people. This would serve people a lot better. And there might be other savings: smaller establishments, closer, mean less driving, less traffic, less gas use. Less stress. So people might need less stress relievers. Also, walking to the stores is good exercise. Not so much need for gyms or such.

I am imagining a family walk to go shopping. Everybody together, no radio, no DVD (unless the kids bring their own portable) - maybe even a little conversation. Noticing things along the way like animals, birds, trees, neighbors -- saying hi to the neighbors -- slowing down.

 I think we need this.

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TheShan2007 read my blog
May 17, 2008 | 8:39 AM

It's been my experience that things AREN'T convenient in the city of St. Louis. There is no affordable grocery store, there is no Walmart. Everything you need you'd have to pay an arm and a leg for, thereby defeating the purpose of saving on gas money.

mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
May 17, 2008 | 9:25 AM

I would much rather hear the sounds of birds and tree frogs..... I can sleep with my windows open in the country.......

frenchmills read my blog view my photos
May 17, 2008 | 11:02 AM

A couple points -- on cheap prices -- Let's see -- We have Shop'n'Save, Target, a couple dollar stores, Aldi's.
Second, on the ruralness -- trees surround our house, and we have all sorts of birds singing -- no tree frogs of course, but if I put a pond in my back yard and mr_wildflower would bring me a batch of eggs, maybe I can solve that problem.

And we sleep with our windows open too.

I have rabbits making their nest under the shed in the back yard and raising their young.

Now that might play some havoc with the garden, but I think I can keep them out.

Sketch
May 17, 2008 | 12:38 PM

It's been my experience, as someone who lives in the city, that prices of everyday products are basically the same here and in the country.

But in the city, besides being woken up by the sounds of birds coming through my open windows, I am able to bike or walk everywhere I need to go. I usually go 4 or 5 days without even getting in my car.

Basically, if you want to save money on gas you will. It's easy to find alternate transportation that is both economical and healthy. But, a lot of people are so dependent on their cars that the thought of being 'self propelled' by walking or biking is completely alien.

I'm from NY. A lot of people there don't even own a car. And the ones that do, treat them as a luxury not a necessity, used only when leaving the city. I agree, public transportation there is much better than St. Louis. But you can find ways to do most things without your car, even if it's simply carpooling.

TheShan2007 read my blog
May 17, 2008 | 1:49 PM

French,

Where are all those stores in your area?

mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
May 17, 2008 | 5:43 PM

I'll get right on those eggs.....lol

rosie read my blog view my photos
May 17, 2008 | 6:40 PM

no thank you i will sty right here in hermann and i only go through about 80 dollars in gas in a month in two cars... yup two fill ups, one in one car and one in the other and i rarely use up all the gas in them in a month.... it would take more gas for me to go to wal mart from the city then it would to drive a half hour from here, to washington...

noitisoppo_ad read my blog
May 17, 2008 | 9:27 PM

That's the problem with the city; no walmart. They scared it will get stolen right off its foundation.

If I had a walmart in walking distance that would be great. Get my ammo, tolitries, food, fried chicken @super walmart, clothes dorn near everything, I just won't there!

noitisoppo_ad read my blog
May 17, 2008 | 9:28 PM

I just won't work there

cooldog23 read my blog
May 17, 2008 | 9:53 PM

the only problem of living in the city is the crime & the noise. I wouldn't mind doing that but it'll take me a year to get use to it...cause i live in St louis County all my life and moving to STL would be hard for me...
but yes it will save u more money..
From
Jason

smizer
May 17, 2008 | 10:27 PM

Yes move to the city and you can be shot like the other seven that were shot tonight in the city

We-are-the-world read my blog
May 18, 2008 | 5:38 AM

why don't anyone of you point out why you moved away from the city in the first place?

Have a blessed day

Sketch
May 18, 2008 | 7:39 AM

It's a very slippery slope when you begin to generalize an entire area or it's population.

Only small isolated areas of the city see a persistent problem with violence. Most of St. Louis is really quite safe.

I'm not advocating people should move into the city. If you are happy in the country, then that's the place for you. All I'd like to do is refute the statements on this thread suggested St. Louis is some urban battlefield devoid of flora and fauna. Next time you watch the news and see Sky FOX flying over the city, take notice of all the green.

"scared {wal-mart} will be stolen right off it's foundation". That's Funny. Now can I make broad, inaccurate, stereotyped statements about rural areas using the word "hicks"?

Speedy62269 read my blog
May 18, 2008 | 7:53 AM

By living out of the "City" I am assuming you mean St. Louis proper. We save tons of money by living on the Illinois side on both the Cost of Living (COL) and Insurance Premiums.

The area in which I live is very safe and violent crimes are almost non-existent. We have very little traffic congestion, insurance premiums for both our cards and home are cheap, and schools are not overcrowded.

The only real downside to this area is our schools' portion of the real estate property tax! They are worse than Ameren on gougability.

mechany144 read my blog view my photos
May 18, 2008 | 11:32 AM

I live in the county, Brentwood to be exact.
Everything is within walking distance here.
Grocery store, Target Wally world, you name it, we have it. And, low crime rates, diverse population and more parks than we can use. Also excellent services, police, fire and street department.
It beats STL city hands down. Just no good places to hear a good band on friday night.
Ah well, no place is perfect!

PSylvester20 read my blog
May 18, 2008 | 7:38 PM

I did exactly what you suggested two years ago. Before that, I lived over in Illinois most of my life.
Now I have two grocery stores within walking distance, Shop-n-Save and Schnucks. There are also two smaller markets, one of which is only steps from my front door. The neighbors are very friendly and we all look out for each other. I'm only five miles from work and the taxes are much lower.
Oh... and I do sleep with my windows open.

otter631 read my blog view my photos
May 18, 2008 | 7:58 PM

I remember living in the city. My car insurance doubled. I moved back to the county and back down it went. Of course, it all depends which zipcode you live in. I lived in the 63111 area at the time.

8otter read my blog
May 18, 2008 | 10:46 PM

i too agree the crime rate is up in the city, housing is POOR< schools are nto safe, kids have to get up at 4 a.m. to be at school by 8 a.m. by bus 25 miles away. The city employment tax is bad. If you work in the city and live else where or live in the city and work else where you have to pay what I call an exotrsion tax. Taxation is too much. '

Finally, on saving gas> sell the gas guzzling SUV'S, HUMMERS, PICK UP TRUCKS and reset the speed limit back to 55 miles per hour. That will save gas by slowing down and downsizing vehicles. Q: Why does a mom with one kid need a SUV? If we all would just not dive on the weekends and walk more it will send a message to the oil companies.

8otter read my blog
May 18, 2008 | 10:48 PM

Has anyone noticed there are more new gas stations being put up each and everyday but they are not making money. Well, reported that Exon Mobil ("W" is heavy weighted in this stock) reported that they had a down 1st quater and reported a NET PROFIT of just under 11 BILLION DOLLARS> if this is not price gouging or market control then we are all living in a dream land.

cherokeefarms03 read my blog view my photos
May 19, 2008 | 12:05 AM

NO THANK YOU, I love the country, peaceful, quiet, no close neighbors to hear fighting or arguing, no horns honking, no BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, from the loud stero speakers in the cars, no beer cans or trash in my front yard. Just the quiet of natures melody at night, fresh air, cool breezes, the singing of song birds in the morning, besides if my wife and I want to sit out back naked, we can do it.

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frenchmills

an avid Missourian 64 years old and married, with children in Colorado, hence the photos from there, and step children here and all have grown up quite well thank you. wish I could go mountain climbing again - just have to settle for the Ozark Mountains instead of the Rockies. Young years spent in North St. Louis County, then teen years in Hyde Park Neighborhood of North St. Louis. Lived in all parts of Missouri, have family in rural Missouri, lived in the Ozarks for about 4 years. Lived in Springfield Mo for another 6, Lived also in Columbia and Kansas City. Returned to St. Louis November 1970 and have live in South St. Louis ever since, have seen many changes, but have seen that the City has remained mainly stable, even grown and attracted young urban professionals with good incomes, an ingredient for a healthy community. Have seen first-hand the circumstances of the disadvantaged of the City. I know somewhat what is going on there.

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