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I was upset with Mr. Gadson calling these thugs youngsters.  This is the new thing in bulling.  My daughter said there was 30 or more kids going down the street of her subdivision at 3 in the morning yelling and cursing and throwing things.  At our pool there was a incident where 20 kids came in an started fighting and beating up some girls.  I think people need to be pro active and  stop this before it gets out of hand.  The police never let our kids run the streets like this our even gather in groups and I know when we were younger the police came out in force everytime we grouped togerther so what is the problem now.   These aren't kids just hanging out they are  looking for trouble.  In the 20s the Goverment started a task force to combat the gangsters.  I think it is time that we look for a new Elliot Ness and put a stop to these gangs. 
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Flaglady read my blog view my photos
Aug 7, 2008 | 11:00 PM

Yes the police need to stop this before someone gets killed.

Several weeks ago I went to a Martial Arts Demostration in South County. There was a group from High Ridge who is teaching children how to defend themselves against hoodlums exactly like this. 40 against 1 would not be a fair match.

bill01 read my blog
Aug 8, 2008 | 12:30 PM

If the kids defend themselves they are punished just the same. These little wannabe thugs want to wage war, let's show them what it's like. I'm all for getting just as nasty as they get. They want to shoot, let us shoot back, with bigger guns. They want to beat and kick, don't bother me when I kick and beat back. The only way to deal with these idiots is to get just as nasty and evil as they do. I think we should take it a couple of steps farther. To quote a line from the Untouchables: " If he sends one of yours to the hospital, send two of his to the morgue"

baicas read my blog
Aug 8, 2008 | 8:02 PM

The other night I get off work at 2:30 AM and I am driving down Boyle and there is a large group of teenagers walking in the middle of the street refusing to move, until another car comes by....Where is the police when these under age teens are out at this time of the morning?

crazydreamer
Aug 9, 2008 | 2:02 PM

To bill01

Man you have no idea how much I want to agree TOTALLY with your whole comment. I kind of had to laugh to myself. Everything you said was true. But what sucks is that not everyone can or will be ready to fight back punks like that. There are many people, such as children, the elderly, or just the weaker individuals that cannot defend themselves. The police need to play a BIG - HUGE - MAJOR part in dealing with these ignorant wanna-be thugs who think they know it all. The police need to take more severe action in handling this bull instead of pulling people over in their cars for dumb crap. I was pulled over two weeks ago by a police officer in South County at 3 in the morning. My brother and I went to get something to eat and the officer "claimed" he pulled us over because he noticed my brother was not wearing his seat belt. He didn't even give me a ticket. Come on now....then after we pulled off, some idiot drove top speed like a bat out of hell down Lindbergh WHILE THE COP STILL FOLLOWED ME!! That was the talk of the day because it was amazing that the cop did not go after this guy. I know they saw him because the cop was behind me while I waited for my turn to go when the dude flew by!!!

Complain to the police department about doing more for the community, especially in the city! If they think that the gangs are going to cease just because they are watching over the metrolink, then they are sadly mistaken. The punks know they are there watching over that area. They will just move on somewhere else to beat up more people.

SeniorCitizen view my photos
Aug 9, 2008 | 3:52 PM

Yes and when the cops get involved then "its my poor baby would not do that and the cops beat a confession out of him - or my daughter is so good she would not do anything like that." My solution to this problem is pick up each and every one of the thugs and hold them and make the parents come pick them up one at a time and pay a hefty fine and if they do not pay put them in jail with their child until they do then they might be more concerned about where, what, who, and when their child is doing what.

14arocker read my blog
Aug 9, 2008 | 8:13 PM

Let's go back to the old days and get off this sympathy(or someone elses' fault) ideas. You commit a horrendous crime,you pay with your life. Fast track executions...crime will go down. And if they are kids doing adult crimes,then they can be held to the same accountablity.

misstyna73 read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2008 | 10:13 PM

I know a couple weeks ago my son was playing outside and a punk in a mustange called him a little bi***, my son is 9. Come on, we dont even know this punk. We work all week and keep to ourselves. The speed limit on our street is 25, and this kid guns it right passed our house. I never see a cop pulling anyone over by our house. And we live right off of Lindbergh. What can we do? I guess sit around and let these kids take over. They have no respect and think the things they do are funny. When I was that age, I never talked to a child that way or ruined someones property. I had a job and responsibility, plus if my dad heard about anything he would whoop my behind. Thats whats missing, a nice swift kick in the ass. Why do you think all these kids act the way they do? And just think they are going to be running our country someday!!

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 6:04 AM

The only reason these mobs of kids are getting any attention, is because it is starting to effect the businesses at the Loop and Central West End. It was either someone well connected, or a tourist that was mugged or injured at the Metro Link. The only time any crime in St. Louis get this kind of attention is when it will effect the tourist or the "well connected". Remember the rash of crime they had downtown? I may be wrong, but I think it was mostly car theft, purse snatchings and the homeless people (I may very well be wrong, but that is what I remember) and it was threatening the "Loft District". After only 2 or 3 of these crimes it was all over the news and extra patrols were sent out. And, has anyone heard any thing from Mayor Slay lately? I haven't heard a word since the "Mokwa" issue.
If you want extra patrols anywhere in the city, you have to be either a tourist, or a well connected, affluent white person. And anyone who doesn't think Mayor Slay is a racist, should work for his family. I did, and I quit because I was ashamed to be associated with that company.
If I sound angry, I am. Every person in this city, regardless of social, economic, or ethnic background deserves the same protection from the police.
The police don't deal with these groups of kids, (I think) because for 1 thing, if it is a cop riding by himself, he can't confront the group safely, 2 nothing is going to happen to the kids anyway, so why bother.
These kids should have been stopped when it first happened! These are kids, get the police out there, even if you have to have some riding the t

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 6:05 AM

continued: the trains at all hours.

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 6:21 AM

Children use to be taught manners and to respect authority and their elders. When it became wrong, and abusive to correct your child in any way, we set the stage for this type of thing to occur. Kids need to learn from the very beginning that there are consequences for their actions. A 2 month old baby starts to learn this when they smile and get that over exaggerated response from the parents. When daycare became common place, it became the thing to do to tell a child,"hands are for touching, not for hitting" and that was the end of it. Parents starting asking their children, "Bobby, please stop running around the store," "Bobby, it's midnight, don't you want to go to sleep? (I actually heard this, asked to a 2 yr old, guess what his answer was) We became afraid to discipline our children because it might damage their self esteem, or someone would think we were abusive and call DFS. Children need boundaries, I think it makes them feel safer, children also need to learn how to handle things on their own, 2 two year olds fighting over a toy are not going to kill each other, let them fight it out (as long as they aren't using the toy as a weapon!). Let them learn that the way to deal with a bully is to stand up to them. Maybe if we taught them the tools to cope with these things, we wouldn't have kids committing suicide because they were teased by a bully. We wouldn't have such a problem with gangs because children would have learned to be leaders and not followers, they would have the skills needed to say no.
Just my opinion.

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 6:42 AM

I love living in the city, I proudly raised my children in the city. I have worked and paid taxes in the city since I was 16, I deserve to be able to ride the bus, walk down my street, park my car or ride the metro link without having to be terrified. I live on the South Side of St. Louis, I do not live in a "tourist" district nor in a particularly affluent section of the city. Right now my neighborhood is quiet, but I work in North St. Louis and last Friday night there was a stabbing just as I was getting off work and walking down the street to catch the bus home. I have been blessed, there have never been any problems on the bus while I was riding it, and honestly, the young men that get on the bus at Natural Bridge with me are a respectful group of young men. They will stand back and allow any woman to get on the bus first, I have seen them get up and give their seats to a woman or older men. I have even seen them get up to help an elderly lady on or off the bus when she had a shopping cart. I make a point of saying Thank You, their mothers would be proud of them.
My problem is I don't know how long that is going to last - I don't drive anymore, if the shootings start moving up a few blocks will I have to guit my job because it is no longer save to go into that area? Will the company have to close or move out of the city because our customers no longer feel safe?

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 7:48 AM

I was talking to a young black kid that I know, he lives in the heart of where the shootings are going on. He is a junior in high school and on the honor roll, he is polite, respectful and a hard worker. I asked him what kept him out of trouble, he said he was more afraid of his mother than of the gangs or the police! He told me that if he ever got into any trouble he wanted to go to jail, he would be safe from his mother there!
His mom is a single parent and has 1 other son. I'd say she's done a terrific job and we need more parents like her.

SeniorCitizen view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 8:36 AM

Too many parents do not want to be bothered with a kid - even though it is their own. these kids need parents - NOT FRIENDS. It starts at 2 and 3 - when they just give the kids anything they want to get them out of their hair. If you can not control your kid at 2 or 3 WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO DO WHEN THEY HIT 15????.

SeniorCitizen view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 8:41 AM

PARENTS YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF. How can anyone blame a politician for the works of their own kid?????

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 8:51 AM

SeniorCitizen: AMEN!!!!

SeniorCitizen view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 12:57 PM

dwheeler I can not count high enough to tell you how many times a parent has said to me "I can not do a thing with little Johnny, who is 2" I find that amazing - an adult can not handle a 2 year old.
I tell them to handle them now at 2 or prison will handle them at 15.

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 6:05 PM

I honestly believe that by the time a child is 5, the foundation has been set, either he has been taught to be respectful and given boundries and learned that there are consequences to his actions, or he has learned how to scream, cry, manuplulate, and hit to get what he wants. After the age of 5, a parent just builds on what ever foundation he has given his child. The child that learned respect and boundries, really only needs the life experiences and maturity to learn how to make the right choices. This parent can relax a bit and guide this child into adulthood.
The child that learned to manipulate and was allowed to run the home, will continue to run the home, and you will find this child at 14, and 6ft tall still throwing 2 year old temper tantrums.

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2008 | 6:20 PM

And a 14 year old throwing a temper tantrum is violent!
You don't have to be harsh with a 2 year old, but YOU TELL him when it's bedtime, YOU decide if he's going to watch tv. YOU make him sit in the car seat, if you are going to give a 2 year old a choice it should be "Do you want to wear the red shirt or the blue shirt?" not, I'm going to put your shoes on now, ok? or Please stop kicking, mommy it hurts. I raised 3 children, I NEVER had any of my children hit me after the age of about 8 or 9 months. NEVER, I have been in the grocery stores and seen 4 or 5 yr olds hitting their mother (one time it was a father getting smacked in the face!), that is unbelievable to me. If a child is hitting you at the age of 3, he/she will hit you at the age of 10, 11, 12.
I really wasn't prone to spanking my kids, I saved that for things that were non negotiable, like running out into the street, or turning on the stove burners etc. I never asked my kids if they wanted to do something, that I knew they were going to do. I gave them choices, when I was ready to deal with whatever choice they made. I wasn't a perfect parent, but I could take them out in public without being ashamed of their behavior
and none of them ever went to jail.

IneedUrHelp read my blog
Aug 11, 2008 | 3:55 PM

Curfew is Midnight why are they out? Why is any kid out? If a crowd of thugs walked down my street at 3am looking for a fight, they'd be bored cause no kids are out. If mine was she/he might get hurt... but prob not from the thugs - I'd be the nightmare they would need to worry about. Any adult out that late should be on guard - mom always said nothing good happens outside after midnight. Anyway the cops need to inforce the curfew law. Course maybe like the gas driveaways, its not a real important use of their time. I know kids sneak out and they can fool a parent ONCE, but after that, mom and dad arent paying attention.

tagalong68 read my blog
Aug 11, 2008 | 4:09 PM

You have to find a parent of these creeps that even care about these useless pieces of garbage. They don't care, the young people don't care. They only thing they think about is themselves. They are too stupid to learn anything, can't hold down a job, much less get one. Can't support themselves so they come after YOU. I just had an effort to break in my out building. They cased my house first and decided how they were going to do it. I had dusk to dawn lights, they unscrewed those, I have a motion detector, they unscrewed the bulbs on that, then tore a plant bracket off the front of the building to use as a pry bar to pry the hinge/lock off the door. The bracket bent, and they did not get into the building. I called the cops, they came, and its well there's nothing we can do since no one saw them. I know exactly who did it! The creeps down at the corner intersection!!! And, I told the cop - well, if you can't do anything, I CAN! He said 'well, you can do that,its OK, just don't make a habit of it". Ha! I now have an equalizer downstairs, upstairs, and in the attic, and one in the basement. Its fire first, ask questions later!!! My new motto!!!

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