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by dawgma08 from Salem, Illinois

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Church Bans Autistic Thirteen Year Old Boy
I agree with the church on this!
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jeanette read my blog view my photos
May 20, 2008 | 7:37 AM

This is a tough one. The trigger was mom pushed him.If this was the first time this had happened then the church should consider that and let them try again.JMO.If it happen's again mom should leave him at home. He is a big boy to try and controll.I have also seen kid's that are not autistic act this way.

suzseeq read my blog view my photos
May 20, 2008 | 7:40 AM

OK: before I saw the video; I said to myself; no way a Church should ban an autistic child; after seeing the video; I am wondering if there are meds that can keep him calm while in church..cause it's a shame if he and his family can't go; but I understand the Church's point of view; especially when it comes to another child being hit.

So, guess I am with the church on this one also.

Bee1 read my blog
May 20, 2008 | 8:08 AM

Sadly, I am with the church on this one also. They have to protect everyone.

TheShan2007 read my blog
May 20, 2008 | 8:13 AM

This really has nothing to do with his Autism. It's about his being able to control his behavior, no matter what condition he has. The safety of others HAS to be a priority. This mother clearly doesn't get that.

Why she would even be willing to put others in danger is beyond me. Why not create a separate area for the family to sit, like a cry room?

dannbetty read my blog view my photos
May 20, 2008 | 8:31 AM

I hope his family and the pastor can make other arrangements for his reception of the Sacraments.
I understand the cry room at that parish was being used by other moms with babies.
Missing Mass is not an automatic mortal sin, missing Mass without good cause, such as illness or caring for others, is another matter. A faithful effort should be made, an extreme effort is not necessary, you don't have to risk your life to attend in a hurricane.

sarcasticdragon
May 20, 2008 | 10:04 AM

Cant really blame the church.

Why would this mother insist on bringing her son to church when he can get so out of control and dangerous. Doesnt she care about other people?

His mom must have know how dangerous he could be and how she obviously cant always control him. Hes a big kid.

And the urninating. COME ON MOM. Why are you mad that people are not willing to accept that in church? Loud noises. Disruptive. Its like she brings him there KNOWING he will cause a problem.

I only know one mother with an autistic child. Now that he is 13 yrs old he has gotten too big for her to handle alone. She ON PURSOSE avoids crowded places for that very reason. Its call being responsible. She does want him to hurt anyone else even thou he isnt really meaning to.

BMD_2
May 20, 2008 | 10:50 AM

how about if the church sends a priest over to go through a mass with sacrament if the family feels they need a priest to pray and reach GOD then maybe this is there option or if they need a house of GOD and the church has a Saturday mass that attendance is usually low they could try that in the cry room not many family go to Saturday mass, at least at my church

dannbetty read my blog view my photos
May 20, 2008 | 11:09 AM

I'm sure she could find a solution, unless she just wants it to be a problem.

inriislord read my blog
May 20, 2008 | 2:59 PM

this child is a special needs childs, and when he is an adult he will be a special needs adult. for whose benefit is the child attending church, his, i think not, his mothers, maybe. i used to work at a grocery store and about once a month two adults would bring in 5 autistic adults from a group home to shop, this so they could keep these young adults in the mainstream and teach them life skills. however three of them had to wear helmets because at any given time they would ram their heads into doors or walls, one time one of the men was pushing the cart and was in a check out line i saw him staring at a customer in the line next he took his cart and ramed this lady in the back and knocked her down. on another occasion this same man took all his clothes off while in the store and ran through screaming. the entire group was asked to never come back. should they have been? i say yes.

kurkel read my blog view my photos
May 20, 2008 | 11:14 PM

hhmm...I got to say I am torn. Yes I understand that the church certainly has to put the welfare of everyone ahead of them going to church. But I am thinking there has to be another way...another cry room maybe?

its all well and good for you all to judge her ... how many of you have walked even a few steps in the shoes she is walking. I feel for her...yet I wouldnt want to put anyone else in danger either, nor should she.

But also consider this....1 out of 150 children are being diagnosed with autism or autism spectrum (and that is a # from a yr or 2 ago...it is growing!) we need to figure out how best to handle these things with dignity and what is best and right for everyone. jmo...

SikUvTheRite read my blog
May 21, 2008 | 12:41 PM

I think this should be the mom's wake-up call to stay home - and forget about the piousness and self-righteousness of organized religion.

So missing a Mass in a mortal sin? You know, the Shiite Muslims have a peculiar religious ritual where every year men slash their own faces and necks with large swords, and bleed all over themselves to worship what they believe to be their god! It was one of the holy freedoms we helped to restore from the evil oppression they faced before - they were not allowed to do this before our rescue!

My point? Man, religions got some peculiar ways, and of course they ALL think their's is the RIGHT way, but overall people are better off without them.

So she should stay home, have her personal, private relationship with the Lord of her choice, and everybody, including Mom and her special child, will be happiest!

Jimmy-42 read my blog
May 21, 2008 | 3:18 PM

I'll agree that this is a difficult situation. I think I would have to side with the church on this one, though. If there is a cry room available that is not being used, that would certainly be an option. Building a new 'room' for this child could be a logistical (and maybe even a financial) problem. Another option would be to have a separate service for the mother and this child.

By the way, I believe that the Catholic Church only views missing mass on Sundays (and holy days of obligation) to be a sin if done so intentionally. If this mother and child are missing mass due to this situation, it is not intentional, and therefore not a sin.

kurkel read my blog view my photos
May 21, 2008 | 4:55 PM

from the video clip I do not believe it is b/c she fears the "sin" part of it (tho this is a practice I have never agreed with in the catholic faith...one reason I am non denominational now...but that is a whole 'nother trail...lol
I think she needs it for herself...it brings her comfort and peace and it feels right to her. so I was just thinking about her....
Raising a special needs child can be very tiring and takes alot out of you...she probably needs that time to replenish so to speak. But again...i agree that the safety of others also must be taken into consideration.

statueman read my blog view my photos
May 23, 2008 | 8:28 AM

Wow... She's catholic so I lack a point of reference. I would think there are other catholic churches where perhaps an usher or church member would help with the situation. It could have been any church though I suppose. Seems to me the best course of action would be to find a church where folks would support and even help her and her son. I know such congregations do exsist.

rosie read my blog view my photos
May 25, 2008 | 10:32 PM

so sad

cardsgirl75 read my blog
May 28, 2008 | 9:27 PM

All I know is I would never bring a big hulking (and scary to some) kid to church if he had ANY possibility of getting out of control and harming anyone. I realize mom wants to go to church, and she should. But forcing him on everyone else is just wrong. People are coming to worship, and having to worry about him all the time is not something they should have to do. People go to church to be peaceful, not uncomfortable about the guy next to them peeing themselves.I don't think anyone there is trying to act as though they don't want to accept people with mental disabilities, they are trying to keep him from running off the whole congregation. Sometimes we must sacrifice one for the good of all. The priest will come to the house to give communion and pray with the family, and that will relieve the mother of having to deal with it. Unless, like someone else said, she just wants to. I have worked with parents of disabled kids before, and some do take a attitude of "I have to deal with it and so do you, and if you don't you're a bad person". This is not a pity party. Leave him at home until you can trust him; but that may be never.

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