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What White Flag?
Oct 3, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Why is it that when Democrats say that we should turn over the security of Iraq to the Iraqis, we are accused of surrendering?  How is it surrendering?  How long does it take for Iraq to train their own army?  We've been doing it for years, aren't they ready now to start taking over?  It's like a 36 year old child who won't get a job and leave the house because his parents still give him everything he needs.  This isn't about surrender.  We won.  Sure, things didn't go as planned and we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in the first place, but they no longer pose a threat to us.  Time to "kick the grown up kid" out of the house and let him deal with life on his own.  I think if we start pulling out Iraq is going to get the hint and start taking more responsibility for their own security.  How is that surrendering?  This is about personal responsibility on a national level.

  

Sure, I think it needs to be slow and we need to make sure that Iraq remains stable and I can see us having a long-standing military presence in Iraq in the years to come, but do we really need so many people over there?  Couldn't we pull some of them back and see what happens?  How is that running?  To me it’s just saying “time for you to take responsibility for your own actions.”

 

As a reply to Republican cries of 'surrender' or 'running up the white flag' our reply should be "How is that surrender?  We've accomplished our goals in Iraq and now it's time for Iraqis to take care of Iraq.  The free ride is over."

 

 

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RetiredPro
Oct 3, 2008 | 12:18 PM

your last sentence says it all the free ride is over...we could never be defined as surrendering since we were the attackers...we need to cut our losses on this losing cause and take care of americans once again...
bambino64 read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 1:48 PM

That's right...Palin talked last night about how great it was that we were building schools over there...what about our own schools??? It's great that we are helping, but someone in debt that can't put food on the table doesn't write thousand-dollar checks to the United Way, or at least they shouldn't.
Biker2Max read my blog
Oct 3, 2008 | 1:58 PM

It is time to say no more and actually get America back on it's feet. Children have been left behind in the past 8 years so much that our excuse is lack of funding. When you send too much money elsewhere you will be broke.

Now with this crazy bailout plan being approved will this virtually eliminate education funding?

I agree with retirepro cut our losses, come home, and do what we did many years ago - take care of our own.
dannbetty read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 2:34 PM

Here's how it works. Let's say we have a boxing match, I can out dance you in the ring but I can't out punch you, you have a lot of power. You tell everyone you have to leave after round five. The bell rings at the end of round five, you leave, the referee comes out to announce the winner, I sucker punch him, he's French. I win and you are gone home.
You can't tell them when you are leaving or they will just wait you out, it's a simple stategy, even a pacifist like myself can figure it out.
bambino64 read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 2:59 PM

Yes, but in this case we'll have the Iraqi Military (Police Force of whatever they are called) to watch our backs. It would be like you leaving after round five but instead you have another boxer (well trained, ready to go) watching your back. No sucker punches there.
kkmmuurrpphhyy read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 3:09 PM

Dear Mr. Terrorist,

It appears that the American citizens are as gullible as we thought all along and it is with great pleasure that we notify you of our withdrawal from Iraq effective April 1, 2009.

Your Pals,
Senators Obama & Biden
blogsiren read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 3:33 PM

The remark, as many remarks made by Republicans is to distract people from the truth and insinuate that Democrats don't care about the troops. I wasn't aware that only the children of Republicans could go to war, because they certainly attack us as if that were the case.
It was in Sarahs notes from Camp McCain, and she did read them well, don't cha think?
bambino64 read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 3:46 PM

You could really tell when she was speaking and when the Republican operatives were speaking. Not sure what kkmmuurrpphhyy was trying to say with his/her post.
bambino64 read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 4:03 PM

Actually sounds like an insult against hard working, bright, educated american citizens, what do you think? Whatever happened to Jefferson's idea that the key to a successful democracy is a well educated citizen base? Guess that's been tossed out the window.
Mutatis-Mutandis read my blog
Oct 3, 2008 | 5:12 PM

We need to leave Iraq. If we are going to have a war on terror, lets try going to places where terrorism actually exists. I may not know what the difference between a strategy and a tactic is, but common sense seems to play a part in this thinking.
mechany144 read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 5:29 PM

Thats the problem with a war on terrorism. You do not know where they will come from. Look, McVeigh was from here.
When they determine that Iraq can defend themselves it will be time to leave. To just pull out now would leave a country, that we invaded, open to attack from most likely Iran and Syria. We owe it to them to get them back up and operating, and they know it. That is why they are in no hurry. Pay back is a female dog you know!
Mutatis-Mutandis read my blog
Oct 3, 2008 | 10:38 PM

Well, I agree we can't just pull all our troops out in a week, but we need to start sometime. No one is suggesting (at least among the two running) we do that.

Plus, I don't think there is any way we can get out of Iraq looking good among the world community.
Speedy62269 read my blog
Oct 3, 2008 | 11:02 PM

Hey K - how are you?

I do think it's time to start really concentrating on bringing the troops home. No matter how long we stay there - there will be violence.

It's inevitable that killing will happen after we leave but the Iraqis need to take care of themselves sometime. It'd be nice to focus on crime in the States especially all the murders in St. Louis!

The exit has to be gradual and with NO media announcements. The media seem to stir things up in Iraq and if they wouldn't report certain strategic moves, they might be in much better shape over there.
mechany144 read my blog view my photos
Oct 4, 2008 | 6:10 AM

Let me break this down simply. WE are the ones that made Iraq what it is today. WE are the ones that destabelized the region. We are at fault, through the administration letting someone (rumsfeld) with no defense experience run the war at first. We did not have any follow up plan. The military makes a lousy police force, we kill, that is all we do, that is our purpose, to win wars and kill everything in sight. And then, we did not have the proper tools or enough boots on the ground to do it. This is exactly what happens when you try to limit war. Stalemate, ineffectiveness, SANFU!
We now owe the Iraqi people a big debt. We have to rebuild the country. Trying to turn Iraq into a democracy is a fools game.
AMOM read my blog
Oct 4, 2008 | 9:11 AM

Poor old Bush, he didn't have a clue of how to run a country. Then he could not pick good people. Poor judgement.

He just wanted to go down in history.
Mutatis-Mutandis read my blog
Oct 4, 2008 | 2:38 PM

Well, he will AMOM, buy probably not for the reasons he intended.

I agree Mechany. . . Though, let me play devil's advocate here, and ask if soldiers are what you explain them to be, how can we rebuild thier country?
mechany144 read my blog view my photos
Oct 4, 2008 | 3:37 PM

Soldiers can not. Private contractors can. Now there are engineering batalions that have the equipment and skills to build. But rebuilding cities is still not their prime duty. They build or destroy primarily to the needs of combatants.
freespirit55 read my blog
Oct 4, 2008 | 6:21 PM

It seems to me that all the people who want to stay in Iraq are advocating the "surrender" of America. Stop and think about it. The bankrupting of America is the ultimate surrender on a massive scale. But go ahead and continue to advocate the spending of 10 billion american dollars per month that is actually money WE DON'T HAVE. That's just brilliant.
mechany144 read my blog view my photos
Oct 4, 2008 | 6:37 PM

Believe me, I want us out of that hellhole more than anybody else. Having done more tours than I care to think of in Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Diego Garcia I have seen more than enough.
All I am saying is we owe it to the Iraqi people to get them on their feet some how. We caused most of the problems there through mismanagement of the war. Like I said before, if you go to war, you go all out. Limited war is a fools game. Even I, a lowly CMSGT knows that. Rummy and Dick and George should have too. But between them, only George was a ANG pilot. On F-106 interceptors at that!
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I am a 44 year old life long resident of North County who recently pulled up his stakes and moved into the city (Holly Hills). I really like it so far and enjoy being close to all the action. I have four children (three of whom are teenagers!). I enjoy following the weather as well as astronomy and stargazing. I also play board games (mostly old-style war games or new style euro games), chess, and am working toward my private pilot's license. I am also an avid reader and writer.

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