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I'm not sure how much snow the weekend storm will bring but I do think we'll see some ice which isn't what any of us want to see considering the damage the last storm brought. Hoping for snow but thinking the cold air will take it's sweet time progressing into the warm flow like it typically does south of STL. I'm only 35-40 miles south of STL and the freeze line is typically 6-8 hours behind STL. Again, STL is usually on the "border" with a lot of these southern storms. At least it's January and there's finally a significant snow pack to the north which helps! Hopefully like Chris said at 5pm that this shouldn't be a repeat of the Nov. 30th storm. It'd be nice if the cold air arrived early and deepened enough that the southern low would track a bit farther south and bring the area a solid snow storm without rain or ice. With that said, did anyone else notice this article on accuweather? It appears Chief Long Range Forecaster Joe Bastardi agrees that this new artic outbreak could be prolonged and lead to a very cold and active stretch of weather running right through February. I hope he's right. Here's what he stated on the site. If you want to view the accompanying video just follow the URL at the bottom of this post. --ALSO NOTE WHAT HE SAYS IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH--

--(State College, PA) Winter has finally made an appearance, with snow falling Tuesday into Tuesday night from the Great Lakes to the southern Appalachian Mountains. Arctic air moving into the Northwest Tuesday night will bring snow to Seattle and Portland, the first shot of true winter weather that will spread across the nation in the upcoming week.

The Alberta Clipper that moved through the East Tuesday has allowed more lake-effect snow to the lee of the Great Lakes while snow fell in the higher elevations of the central Appalachian Mountains. Cold air following the Clipper will push temperatures in the East down to near seasonable levels. Later in the week, the brief shot of winter will be replaced with more warm weather before a pattern change brings a real taste of winter to much of the nation.

Tuesday night, cold air will pour out of Western Canada into the Pacific Northwest, bringing overnight lows in Seattle and Portland down to within a couple degrees of freezing. The rain will turn to snow overnight; however, there will be little accumulation of snow along the coast.

Later this week, the coldest air will be centered over the Rockies and the northern Plains. Its arrival in the mountains will bring another round of snow to Denver and the Front Range on Friday, before the core of cold pushes to the south and east, likely arriving in the East by the middle of next week.

Unlike recent weather patterns when cold air has been quickly replaced by unseasonable warmth, the upcoming cold shot will remain in place across most of the nation through the latter half of January. Expert Meteorologist Bernie Rayno has additional information on the upcoming cold shot in the video to the right.

According to Chief Long Range Forecaster Joe Bastardi, the weather from mid-January through mid-February could mimic the winters of 1957-58 and 1965-66. Those winters began with warm conditions before finishing with cold and stormy weather.

Bastardi says in a worst-case scenario, the country will experience a repeat of the winter of 1977-78. After a tepid start, that winter was remarkable for its cold and storms, including three powerful blizzards in the Northeast. "Those who think that winter 2006-2007 is going to remain mild are in for a shock. Winter is likely to come with a vengeance. A week from now, we'll start seeing truly cold air across much of the country, and we expect this change to last."

Bastardi believes that if the change in the weather pattern reaches its full potential, the onset of cold weather could result in "one of the top-five coldest 30-day stretches in the past half century."

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partn
er=news_central&traveler=0

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RyanD read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 12:29 AM

Also note that he made reference to the winter of '77-78 that has been mentioned several times on the weather blog. Be interesting if that would come true. We could use a real winter around here for once. I'm still not convinced but the signs are looking better and better that winter is arriving (though a bit late) and maybe here to stay for a while too!!!

wunicorn read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 8:42 AM

I am not sure it will be as bad as the ones in the 82 or the 70's. but we will have to see what the weather brings. All i got to say is "hope for the best but prepare for the worse"

dani

coldsteele35 read my blog
Jan 10, 2007 | 2:53 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble but that is not going to happen. We will get nothing from this storm but rain and THEN some cold air which really will not be that bad for Jan. Then it will warm up again and be in the 40's the rest of Jan. Dave is usually right on but as far as his winter forecast so far it has been a big F. All long range forecast/models are pointing to this. The best thing is only 7 weeks to March!!!

stlweatherfanatic read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 3:38 PM

coldsteele

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/news-blogs.asp?partner=news
_central&blog=meteomadness


I HIGHTLY doubt we will only see rain, to say that is premature

coldsteele35 read my blog
Jan 10, 2007 | 3:45 PM

We may see a flake or two and maybe a little/very little ice, nothing to write home about. How about this we will talk about it on Monday.

Wanna place a wager on how much snow/ice we get. I say less than an inch of snow and or rain!

All you guys are wishful thinking that we get some blizzard out of this it is not ging to happen.

stlweatherfanatic read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 5:26 PM

ha ok, well im thinking alot more than an inch of rain, waves of heavy rain over a period of 5 days, i think it should about more or less around 2.5 inches. Maybe 3 inches of snow and ice.

RyanD read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 5:57 PM

Steele you are bursting no bubble HAHA. Please post some factual data before you "state" what's going to happen for the rest of winter. Please post some links to those models/forecasts that are in agreement with your "opinion". Because so far that is all you have stated is your opinion. Sounds like you are a warm weather person which is fine but all you are doing is wishcasting for mild weather. Things tend to even out and we've been way above normal for a long time so winter is likely to return with vengenace especially with signs that the moderate el nino is continuing to weaken which will help shut down the warm pacific flow that's kept us so warm through the early winter. I think the weakening is becoming more apparent now with artic air about to release. I'm not hearing anything that is stating it will be warm and this cold shot will be short lived. Sure it will modify. What you are saying may very well happen but all signs right now are pointing towards hardcore winter. Not saying super cold but definitely normal temperatures. Sure it will warm up but I doubt we'll being seeing prolonged periods of time (weeks) of highly above normal temperatures. Besides, how can you burst my bubble? I'm stating what a professional long term forecaster stated, not what I think. Also, critizing Dave is very premature right now. He said December would be active but above normal temps with very little snow. Sounds 100% accurate to me. He said January would be cold, active and snowy. We are only 10 days into Jan. and things are about to change big time. He also said Feb. w

RyanD read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 6:07 PM

got cut off... Dave said Feb. would be cold and dry. Let's wait until March before we start handing out any grades. Even if you want to hand out partial grades then consider Dave's December forecast was 100% accurate and so far he's been inaccurate for only the first 10 days of January. If you are going to grade him on his winter forecast to this point then how do you even arrive at an F?

stlweatherfanatic read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2007 | 6:45 PM

hey Ryan you sound educated in weather, come give us your opinions on chris's blog thats where all the weather is !


http://community.myfoxstl.com/blogs/ChrisHiggins/2007/0
1/07/The_Next_Winter_Storm?page_no=33

coldsteele35 read my blog
Jan 11, 2007 | 8:56 AM

I am saying if you look at current models at NWS and all long range forecast on major websites.. They all say the same thing no real threat from this storm ( havent looked this AM so it could have changed) It will get cold but only normal Jan cold nothing extreme subzero and it will slowly moderte over the next several weeks. Getting close to the end of Jan with little if any snow and a little cold but nothing extreme. Therefore the Jan forecast will be a dud. Feb is yet to be seen. Im not lying about all this stuff. I just chuckle a little when I see "we will get 1 inch of ice and 6-8 inches of snow from this" Well my forecast is exacly the opposite so what is wrong with mine??? The answer most "snow bunnies" on here dont like it and will bury their heads in the snow and pray we get some type of snow miracle!!! I am not critizing anybody here just giving my opinion if people are right and I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. BUT if I am right and you are wrong u will know as well. Good day.

RyanD read my blog view my photos
Jan 11, 2007 | 1:06 PM

I don't see much snow with this storm but I'm not a meteorologist. I was only stating what a professional stated and this is his job. Any it does appear that subzero lows aer possible as early as monday or Tues. night. Not sure what models you are looking at but they don't seem to be in agreement with what everyone else is seeing. If you say "I am saying if you look at current models at NWS and all long range forecast on major websites.." What do you mean besides the NWS? Please don't say the Weather Channel. What I posted was directly from Accuweather so obviously they are in disagreement with you. Only time will tell. I'm not going to make predictions because I'm not qualified. Just restating what pros say.

coldsteele35 read my blog
Jan 11, 2007 | 1:55 PM

Better go back and recheck accuweater!
http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?partner=accuwe
ather&traveler=0&zipcode=63367&metric=0

RyanD read my blog view my photos
Jan 11, 2007 | 5:34 PM

Coldsteele35, the link doesn't work but if that's just the long range 15 day forecast then it is strictly computer generated probably from the GFS. It's useless. I doubt they'd be disagreeing with their primary long range forecaster just a few days after he made that very detailed statement. So far you've provided absolutely no proof of what you are saying unlike myself. I'm not saying these things will come true, just restating what one pro met. thinks. Please go to Chris Higgin's blog, "Next Winter Storm?????" and see if the posters in his blog, who know much more about these things than myself, agree with you. I'm thinking they won't but I could be wrong.

RyanD read my blog view my photos
Feb 13, 2007 | 6:05 PM

Coldsteele, you ready to admit you were wrong about this winter being Cold? You just don't seem to have any grip on reading computer models or even listening to the pros. People alway disappear when they are wrong. I also saw you lurking on Chris's blog today calling the snowstorm a bust. Wow!!! Wishcasting is not the way to get the weather you want. Trust me, I learned that the hard way. We've only had a few warm days in the past 3-4 weeks. Not anything like you predicted.

RyanD read my blog view my photos
Feb 13, 2007 | 6:10 PM

Cold, is seems you were WRONG twice now!! You even said on Chris's blog that you might be wrong once or twice in your life. You were wrong on about the remainder of the winter being warm and you were wrong about the snowstorm today. I got exactly what Chris predicted for me. 3 inches. Hope you are man enough to admit it now like you said you would be. I expect no response since most people that lurk on these blogs don't admit when they are wrong. I've been wrong and when I am I admit it. Thanks!

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I've been interested in Meteorology since 4th grade while watching Dave break in with special reports and updates during the Great Blizzard of '82. We got nearly 30 inches down here that night. Gotta love Thundersnow!!! I'm trying to learn more about weather. So far I mostly just know what I've learned from Weather class at SIUC but mostly from general observations and listening to Dave Murray. I'd consider myself a novice. I still don't fully understand how to interpret all the new GFS/Euro/JAP forecast models but I'm learning.

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