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NEW YORK (AP) -- United Airlines says a passenger who left his seat to pray in the back of a plane before it took off, and ignored flight attendants' orders to return, was removed by a security guard.

A fellow passenger on the United flight Wednesday from John F. Kennedy airport in New York to San Francisco says the Orthodox Jewish man was praying near the lavatories during boarding and ignored flight attendants telling him to return to his seat.

When the man stopped praying, he explained that he couldn't interrupt his religious ritual.

An airline spokeswoman says the man was taken off the plane, and put on another flight Thursday.

She says flights cannot depart unless all passengers are in their seats.

(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
Apr 20, 2008 | 8:02 PM

What happened to public relations......???

marley read my blog
Apr 20, 2008 | 9:28 PM

how sad

becker read my blog
Apr 21, 2008 | 6:40 AM

terrible

dannbetty read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 8:16 AM

Next time you are stranded on the tarmac waiting to take off,and you want to just get off the plane for a different flight, don't argue with the attendant, just pray.

JillSTL read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 8:23 AM

What if it had been a Muslim praying?

Should one person delay an entire flight because they are praying in the aisle or performing another ritual? What makes praying different? Which religions' ceremonies should be accepted?

Just playing devil's advocate here ... I had never heard of such a thing as being required to pray at the expense of those around you.

mechany144 read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 9:34 AM

Anyone that has flown knows there is a good reason why you must be seated and belted in. A plane makes a steep initial climb to clear the airports control area. Standing during this climb is darn near impossible. You would end up in the tail of the aircraft, and be injured or injure someone when you land on top of them.
The flight attendents did the right thing. Just maybe this man was being inconsiderate of all the other passengers.
I say good for them!

frenchmills read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 11:41 AM

the guy went a bit overboard with his praying. A little thing silently in his seat -- that should have done the trick.

I thought God reads our thoughts.

SikUvTheRite read my blog
Apr 21, 2008 | 12:26 PM

Perhaps the flight attendents should have pointed out to him that his religous ritual cannot interrupt everybody else's life.

And that if he really doesn't want his religous ritual interrupted, then perhaps he would be best to do it alone when nobody else is around, and keep his religous ritual to himself.

In this case, the crew did the proper thing. You must be belted in your seat, or else you do not fly, regardless of your particular religious ritual. I probably would have suspected he was a terrorist, as they, too, have plenty of religious rituals. Seems to be a common trait among those who place themselves above all others.

As others have said, kinda peculiar that he would believe his god must listen better if he is at the back of the plane, rather than about 30 feet forward in his seat. To me, just another example of the nut jobs that make up most wacky religions.

I'm waiting for the charges of anti-Semitism to be filed in this case...

mechany144 read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 12:45 PM

I would put money on it that you will not have to wait long Sik. Some folks just do not get it.

stinkabinka read my blog
Apr 21, 2008 | 1:39 PM

sure. let's hold up a plane full of people for one guy to pray. there are reasons that everyone should be in their seat on a plane.

Jimmy-42 read my blog
Apr 22, 2008 | 8:13 AM

I'd be one of the first to stand up against religious persecution. But, I really don't think that is the case here. While I don't know much about Orthodox Jewish traditions and rituals, it seems like this man could have planned things a little better. For instance, he could have prayed before getting on the plane, said a shorter prayer, etc.. The law states that you must follow the instructions of the flight crew, which this man did not.

inriislord read my blog
Apr 22, 2008 | 2:00 PM

prayer is something that can be heard by God wherever you are, in the seat in the aisle, in the luggage compartment, in the pilots seat, and God expects us to pray, but He also expects us to obey the laws of the land or plane or wherever. and if it goes against your praying "ritual" than relocate your prayer time to another place. and that includes all religions, christian, jewish, muslim etc.......

inriislord read my blog
Apr 22, 2008 | 2:12 PM

and sik your letting your venom spill out about God once again. God cannot help how religion can sometimes be the devils workshop.
satan works very well through a lot of world religions, better to make an evil appear good .
because satan's ultimate goal is to be like the most High, his secondary goal is to capture the souls of mankind. that is also why throughout history satan has created turmoil and wars in the name of good thru religion.

FollowingHim read my blog
Apr 22, 2008 | 5:41 PM

1. Orthodox Jews pray several times a day in addition to prayers for various situations (before meals, after meals, before leaving on a trip).
2. The article stated that passengers were boarding, not that the plane was ready to leave, and that his prayers lasted only about 2-3 minutes.
3. Going to the back of the plane would make sense so as to be away from the traffic of people coming down the aisle, stowing luggage, etc.
4. Unless there were some other issues not mentioned in the article, it appears the man was not endangering anyone nor holding up the flight.
5. To remove him from the flight does not appear to be motivated by his causing any real problem.

Unless other issues are revealed, to me, the airline blundered. I wouldn't call it anti-Semitism, but there appeared to be a great lack of tact.

inriislord read my blog
Apr 23, 2008 | 2:18 PM

followingHim i left a message on your blog. God bless you

Legolas read my blog view my photos
Apr 28, 2008 | 10:19 AM

Does Mosaic Law require prayer at an exaxct time? Or could he have prayed before boarding? However The Airline could have been more tactful.

memobo read my blog
Apr 28, 2008 | 4:12 PM

I have been on a flight where several Orthodox Jews got up and prayed. I believe that the airlines that service flights to the country of Israel find this to be a very routine happening.

As I read the initial blog I read that he was doing this during "boarding" not take-off.

My other question. So, what happened on the flight he was put on Thursday????

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